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Thanks for your greetings from your end of the world. Hello there.i have never seen one except for the photos on this forum.can you add photos of the tenor for us all,i would love to see the bell engraving and the neck especially. Many never even knew this Super Olds model existed. In all my years of playing, I've never come across another player with one. It was probably thrown away by military bean counters that deemed it "too old" and it's probably worth $1500-$2000 today. I bought mine over 25 years ago for about $200 without asking too many questions. It's heavy, throaty, big neck and big bell, and therefore big sound. I don't know that it's super valuable, but I would never give mine up, where would I find another? It is a very rare horn indeed, and a bit of an oddball. So if you believe the story that a ship containing as many as 500 sank in Europe, than I may be holding one of the last ones produced. Olds & Son Los Angeles, Calfornia, USA Super Olds" Mine has a "U.S." stamp on the bell and the same info as your alto under the bell in a lacquer silver finish that states: There is information from various websites that talk a bit about the history of Olds and it's contract with the US military to make 2000 of these horns. I have a Tenor Sax that is just like Johnny's. I'm the L&L employee who brings my restored Super (#760) to the sax symposium, and I work part time at L&L corrupting youth, and working with players and their instruments." L&L put it in playing condition, and I still love it. I've been playing sax since the 70's and still own my first tenor (50's Buescher 400 TH&C) I purchased my first Olds Super (Alto # 268) in 2000 as a tarnished used instrument. The author of this article (Scott B.) is the son of a big band trombonist who loved Olds instruments. It's a world filled with amazing people and instruments. Many thanks to L&L Music in Gaithersburg for repair, restoration, and patience. And to everyone who in the last 10 years has listened, rendered opinions played my set of Olds Super's. Many thanks to David Browne of Anaheim Band Instruments for listening and providing references. A Super Olds isn't a Martin Stencil, although it shares manufacturing techniques. Much like art, it becomes more interesting when the artist can't make more.Ĭonclusions. Kanstul considered the sax line as a product that never developed it's own market.
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No one noted it's production, serial numbers, and it faded away. Given Olds popular brasswind productss, and their postwar outsourcing of saxes, the Olds Super sax wasn't important to the company. (I failed to note the name of the company) It was last known to be rusting in a container in a small plant in Holland.
The tooling was shipped to a sax manufacturer in Holland as Olds production ended. The US Olds plant never produced additional Olds Super saxes. Post war Olds Saxes were all made for the European branch of Olds.(the more familiar Ambassador and Parisian models).
The keywork, tone hole shapes 8va mechanism, and guards were unique to the Super Olds line. In order to avoid Patent problems, the tooling was Olds proprietary production hardware and much of the construction differs from Martin instruments. Based on the timeframe, the Olds Super has common roots with he Martin Committee II line.
The similarity to Martin instruments is explained by the former Martin employee who did the design and tooling. The instruments were not produced for the WWII effort, or under government contract, but they were new west coast instruments at the beginning of the war.
#F.e. olds cornet serial serial numbers
The serial numbers reflect the pre-production nature of the Olds Super line.
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Full production wasn't ever achieved, the tooling was put in storage. Mr Kanstul thought less than 2000 were produced, something beyond a prototype run, and enough to build interest in the new line. The instruments were produced in small numbers untill WWII interrupted civilian production. This was part of the companies evolving product line.
#F.e. olds cornet serial professional
The company hired a former Martin Sax employee who had moved to the LA area(I failed to note his name during our discussion) As a result of this hire Olds developed the Olds Super sax models intended for the professional market. According to Mr Kanstul the Olds Super sax was made in very numbers run just before the start of WWII in the Los Angeles F.E Olds Plan. Kanstul Music has an amazing history of its own.Īn alternate explanation of the Olds Super saxes. He started his career working for FE Olds in the early 50's as a technician reaching the top of the company and overseeing it's success and decline. Zig Kanstul keeps business hours, but other Kanstul's appear throughout the web site for the company. The Kanstul family runs Kanstul Music, a producer of Brasswinds previously associated with Benge. "The Olds Super Sax history, from a former executive at F.E. Here is a history from our SOTW archives:
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